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Gay Marriage And Moral Seriousness

letterstomycountry:

Ari Kohen recently posted a video of Ann Althouse discussing Gay marriage with Glenn Loury.  Ari summarizes the video thusly:

Both Glenn Loury and Ann Althouse have gay sons. And, in this clip, both of them argue that we shouldn’t consider opposition to same-sex marriage to be akin to bigotry. Loury goes a few steps farther, in fact, and claims that a charge of bigotry really amounts to demagogic politics and that people who oppose same-sex marriage on religious or cultural grounds are morally serious and ought not to be dismissed out of hand.

Ari comments:

But it’s never entirely clear why Loury and Althouse believe that the views these people espouse are so morally serious or why we ought to refrain from referring to their condemnation of homosexuality as bigotry. From listening to them, my sense is that their argument rests on the presumption that religious people are morally serious and, as such, they reflect on the tenets of their faiths before coming to their conclusions about matters like same-sex marriage.

That’s all well and good, if it’s true. But it doesn’t explain why we shouldn’t think of it as bigotry. That someone believes something to be true and arrives at his or her belief in a serious manner doesn’t exempt him or her from being challenged on that belief, especially when that belief might impact the lives of others.

If Ann and Glenn have gay sons, then they clearly understand that being gay is not a morally culpable choice.  I’d go so far as to say they probably understand that it is no more of a morally culpable choice than being born with heterosexual proclivities.  They probably also understand that this isn’t a matter of “approving of one’s lifestyle.”  Being gay is, of course, not a lifestyle.  It is an inborn trait.  Again, I’m certain that Ann and Glenn are aware of this.  I’m certain they’re also aware that, while sexuality is mutable, it is not something that can be forced on people.  There is a fairly robust degree of certainty in the medical community that attempting to change someone’s sexuality by force has the potential to inflict extreme psychological damage on that individual.  So I assume that Ann and Glenn are not making their argument on the supposition that people who view homosexuality as a morally culpable choice are coming to a valid conclusion.

Yet that is precisely the conclusion that many people who oppose same-sex marriage have come to.  8% of North Carolina voters think that being gay should be a felony.  That’s roughly 1 out of every 12 people in North Carolina.  That’s significant.  Do Ann and Glenn give these people a people a pass because they came to this conclusion in a morally serious manner?  Surely they don’t support felonization of their own children.  But by their logic, we should respect these peoples’ opinions and not label them bigots because they came to their conclusions in a morally serious manner.

The text-book definition of bigotry is “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions or prejudices,” or “one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred or intolerance.”  At common law, a felony was crime so heinous and injurious to society that those who committed it were deemed to deserve the penalty of death.  Today, a felon can be denied the right to vote, own a gun, access public housing, food stamps, student aid, public assistance, the right to serve on juries, and can be legally discriminated against by employers.  That is the cultural legacy that is being invoked when 1 in 12 North Carolinians believe that being gay should be a felony.  No one could possibly wish that on another human being unless they regarded the members of that group “with hatred or intolerance.”  That is bigotry.  And the fact that they arrived at that decision in a morally serious manner does not change the analysis.

I am sure that Ann and Glenn would respond by saying that they clearly do not support the felonization of homosexuality.  Fine.  But their reasoning about “moral serious” conclusions applies to those that do.  Their logic forces them to respect people that want to do serious injury to their children.  Which means that they either, a) have not given full consideration to the consequences of their thesis, or b) they are, by my own personal measure, derelict in their duty as parents.  That’s an upsetting accusation, no doubt.  But a parent’s first duty, I would think, is to not act in such a way that will do unnecessary harm to their children, nor to give cover to people who wish to do the same.  Giving people a way to morally justify beliefs that will harm their children fits that bill a bit too cleanly.

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So I may or may not be pretty drunk right now, and everyone is beautiful

I don’t even feel bad, because it’s been ages, y’all!

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needtherapy:

shankcrank:

octorokcockblock:





I don’t think you understand how much I think about gay sex

i’m pretty sure i think about gay sex more than you rick

get out rick you will not win this battle
you cannot even begin to comprehend how much I think about gay sex

     #i’m mostly just laughing that rick santorum apparently just admitted to thinking about gay sex all the time #do you read slash fanfic and fap angrily at the boner you hate yourself for getting rick #it’s okay rick #your slash ships are valid #don’t hate yourself for finding them sexy


Rick Santorum, do you even know me?

Rick I don’t…um…..Rick….Rick…..Rick….

How much I hate all those writhing, sweaty bodies pounding…wait…what was I saying again?

needtherapy:

shankcrank:

octorokcockblock:

I don’t think you understand how much I think about gay sex

i’m pretty sure i think about gay sex more than you rick

get out rick you will not win this battle

you cannot even begin to comprehend how much I think about gay sex

#i’m mostly just laughing that rick santorum apparently just admitted to thinking about gay sex all the time #do you read slash fanfic and fap angrily at the boner you hate yourself for getting rick #it’s okay rick #your slash ships are valid #don’t hate yourself for finding them sexy

Rick Santorum, do you even know me?

Rick I don’t…um…..Rick….Rick…..Rick….

How much I hate all those writhing, sweaty bodies pounding…wait…what was I saying again?

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absurdlakefront:

queerasfuck:

poorlittlequeerboy:

Gay Bar Rejection Tutorial

Hysterical and accurate. 

Also dis boi iz cute.

Well this killed me

I mixed whiskey and gin once, and I don’t remember much else about the evening…

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breakingnews:

Gov. Chris Gregoire  has signed into law a bill that legalizes gay marriage in Washington  state, making it the nation’s seventh to allow gay and lesbian couples  to wed.
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breakingnews:

Gov. Chris Gregoire has signed into law a bill that legalizes gay marriage in Washington state, making it the nation’s seventh to allow gay and lesbian couples to wed.


KIRO 7

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breakingnews:

KING 5 News: Washington state moved a step closer to becoming the seventh state to legalize same-sex marriage when the House of Representatives voted to send the bill to Gov. Chris Gregoire for her signature. However, it will likely face a statewide referendum vote before it can become law.
Image: Rep.  Jamie Pedersen, a Democrat from Seattle, spoke to begin a debate on a  vote in the state House to legalize gay marriage in Olympia, Wash. (Elaine Thompson/Associated Press)

breakingnews:

KING 5 News: Washington state moved a step closer to becoming the seventh state to legalize same-sex marriage when the House of Representatives voted to send the bill to Gov. Chris Gregoire for her signature. However, it will likely face a statewide referendum vote before it can become law.

Image: Rep. Jamie Pedersen, a Democrat from Seattle, spoke to begin a debate on a vote in the state House to legalize gay marriage in Olympia, Wash. (Elaine Thompson/Associated Press)

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bastardfromabasket:

Someone should make a fake Rick Santorum account and have him find a time machine and make tweets about the different periods he visits.
“12/06/1865: An amendment was passed today abolishing slavery. Half of the country just had their property stripped from them. As president I will work to protect a citizen’s right to pursuit of property.”
“8/18/1920: Today, half of the population had their rights stripped away to be shared with WOMEN. As president I will work to protect the rights of men.”
“7/4/1776: Declaration of Independence signed today! Snuck a picture when no one was looking.
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bastardfromabasket:

Someone should make a fake Rick Santorum account and have him find a time machine and make tweets about the different periods he visits.

“12/06/1865: An amendment was passed today abolishing slavery. Half of the country just had their property stripped from them. As president I will work to protect a citizen’s right to pursuit of property.”

“8/18/1920: Today, half of the population had their rights stripped away to be shared with WOMEN. As president I will work to protect the rights of men.”

“7/4/1776: Declaration of Independence signed today! Snuck a picture when no one was looking.

(Source: noon, via phazes)

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Like many 13-year-olds, Brittany knew seventh grade was a living hell. But what she didn’t know was that she was caught in the crossfire of a culture war being waged by local evangelicals inspired by their high-profile congressional representative Michele Bachmann, who graduated from Anoka High School and, until recently, was a member of one of the most conservative churches in the area. When Christian activists who considered gays an abomination forced a measure through the school board forbidding the discussion of homosexuality in the district’s public schools, kids like Brittany were unknowingly thrust into the heart of a clash that was about to become intertwined with tragedy.

(Source: synecdoche)

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breakingnews:

Washington state has enough votes to legalize gay marriage
[AP]

breakingnews:

Washington state has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

[AP]

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ilovecharts:

razzledazzy:

Tumblr this is a different poll on the same site. Come on guys we can fix this, it’s a disgrace. 
Vote here.

Since this screenshot, ~4,000 more for oppose and ~53,000 more for support. 

Maybe the most striking thing about this map, is being able to read some of the comments. Those that support definitely have a pretty unanimous either “human equality/love=love” or “why does it matter” type response, whereas much of the opposition seems a little more all over the place, but with an obvious religious bent. This is the part that has always baffled me—1) marriage is not inherently a religious institution and 2) there are WAY too many people on the opposition who cite “separation of church and state” as a reason to not allow gay marriage, which makes me think that THEY think the government allowing gay marriage would FORCE religious institutions to perform marriages that particular institution opposed. We can all agree this is not the case and NOBODY is actually making this argument, right? Why do so many people think such a ridiculously illogical statement? I find it very heartbreaking that there are gay people who will not be able to get married in the church to which they belong, but that’s really not what this issue has ever been, or will be, about.

ilovecharts:

razzledazzy:

Tumblr this is a different poll on the same site. Come on guys we can fix this, it’s a disgrace. 

Vote here.

Since this screenshot, ~4,000 more for oppose and ~53,000 more for support. 

Maybe the most striking thing about this map, is being able to read some of the comments. Those that support definitely have a pretty unanimous either “human equality/love=love” or “why does it matter” type response, whereas much of the opposition seems a little more all over the place, but with an obvious religious bent. This is the part that has always baffled me—1) marriage is not inherently a religious institution and 2) there are WAY too many people on the opposition who cite “separation of church and state” as a reason to not allow gay marriage, which makes me think that THEY think the government allowing gay marriage would FORCE religious institutions to perform marriages that particular institution opposed. We can all agree this is not the case and NOBODY is actually making this argument, right? Why do so many people think such a ridiculously illogical statement? I find it very heartbreaking that there are gay people who will not be able to get married in the church to which they belong, but that’s really not what this issue has ever been, or will be, about.

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needtherapy:

hildavor:


aviatorshadesarecool:





lemon-sprinkles:

I cannot get over Achilles’ face in this painting. Holy shit.
 He’s totally like: “Oh god, mom, put a fucking shirt on, I mean, what are you even doing? Can’t you see I’m busy lamenting the death of my boyfriend? Like I really need to see your tits at a time like this— YOU’RE SO EMBARRASSING MOM GAWD.”
 And the rest of the Greeks are jazz-handsing in the background. They’re all ‘WOAH LOOK AT THAT TOTALLY WICKED SET OF TITS— I MEAN ARMOUR. WOAH’



no mom

mom no

NO




Best art critique ever.

needtherapy:

hildavor:

aviatorshadesarecool:

lemon-sprinkles:

I cannot get over Achilles’ face in this painting. Holy shit.

 He’s totally like: “Oh god, mom, put a fucking shirt on, I mean, what are you even doing? Can’t you see I’m busy lamenting the death of my boyfriend? Like I really need to see your tits at a time like this— YOU’RE SO EMBARRASSING MOM GAWD.”

 And the rest of the Greeks are jazz-handsing in the background. They’re all ‘WOAH LOOK AT THAT TOTALLY WICKED SET OF TITS— I MEAN ARMOUR. WOAH’

no mom

mom no

NO

Best art critique ever.

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absurdlakefront:

statusquoisthemesswearein:

Did you know?  …people are going with gayer house colors!

I want gayer colors on all houses.

absurdlakefront:

statusquoisthemesswearein:

Did you know?  …people are going with gayer house colors!

I want gayer colors on all houses.

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idneverwhisper:

Bigots: 0.  Nate Fisher: 1.

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"Our gay and lesbian families face the same hurdles as heterosexual families — making ends meet, choosing what school to send their kids to, finding someone to grow old with, standing in front of friends and family and making a lifetime commitment. For all couples, a state marriage license is very important. It gives them the right to enter into a marriage contract in which their legal interests, and those of their children if any, are protected by well-established civil law."

— Washington State Gov. Chris Gregoire, in a statement today about legislation she is putting forward to legalize marriage for gay and lesbian couples. (via breakingnews)

(Source: seattletimes.nwsource.com, via breakingnews)

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pinktacolovers:

Beth Ditto and her girlfriend

All my love to Beth Ditto

pinktacolovers:

Beth Ditto and her girlfriend

All my love to Beth Ditto

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